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The Cheater Got off....
younghem
post Feb 24 2012, 08:01 AM
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Braun gets off on a technicality & MLB disagrees completely with the arbiter's decision.

The dude cheats and he gets off...incredible.
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post Feb 24 2012, 10:22 AM
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i would like to know what triggered the high test...when he was informed of the results he immediately took another test and passed.


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post Feb 24 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (Cactus @ Feb 24 2012, 11:22 AM) *
i would like to know what triggered the high test...when he was informed of the results he immediately took another test and passed.


Maybe he took some illegal substance and then immediately had a drug test, then he took some kind of masking agent and passed.

There's no natural explanation why someone would have extremely high levels of testosterone in their body at any point of time....unless maybe you had some kind of tumor or something.....
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post Feb 24 2012, 11:35 AM
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I thought they said that after the test it was discovered that he had herpes and that could have triggered the failed test.
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post Feb 24 2012, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (metsbeast17 @ Feb 24 2012, 11:35 AM) *
I thought they said that after the test it was discovered that he had herpes and that could have triggered the failed test.


I don't know...I think if that was the case then Braun would be talking about how he had a medical condition that affected the test.

I think the dude is as guilty as sin and he got off on a technicality...he probably paid some hotshot lawyer to expose this loophole in the testing procedure.

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post Feb 25 2012, 07:20 AM
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I've seen enough drug testing in sports at the highest level to know that there are reasons that USADA shows up unannounced at odd hours. That being said, Braun got off on a technicality. He's even more guilty than OJ. Can't MLB take this another step if they really wanted to?
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post Feb 25 2012, 10:16 AM
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By the way, his ratios were 20:1 on both samples, normal 1:1, 4:1 is the marker of a potential cheat. They also did CIR testing and found the substance to be artificial. It was claimed in court that Braun offered DNA sample to compare. It's true, but when MLB asked for the sample, he refused. Three other samples taken that day from other athletes all tested negative using the same protocol. No, Herpes will not cause a synthetic hormone to be introduced into the body and no Herpes will not elevate t/te ratios. The guy is as guilty as Bonds, McGuire, Manny and Roger.
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post Feb 25 2012, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (RayL @ Feb 25 2012, 11:16 AM) *
By the way, his ratios were 20:1 on both samples, normal 1:1, 4:1 is the marker of a potential cheat. They also did CIR testing and found the substance to be artificial. It was claimed in court that Braun offered DNA sample to compare. It's true, but when MLB asked for the sample, he refused. Three other samples taken that day from other athletes all tested negative using the same protocol. No, Herpes will not cause a synthetic hormone to be introduced into the body and no Herpes will not elevate t/te ratios. The guy is as guilty as Bonds, McGuire, Manny and Roger.


The only potential question mark I would have is if maybe the samples got mixed up. I also believe that Braun is probably guilty, but there is a small possibility that the tester mixed up the samples because apparently they do not put the names of those who are tested on the samples...they only have numbers that match with the corresponding player.

Again, I think there's probably less than a 1% chance that this happened, but it is possible.

It does speak volumes that MLB is saying that they vehemently disagree with the finding of the arbiter. It would be a different story if they came out and said "we screwed up and it won't happen again." Clearly MLB looks at this as a joke.
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post Feb 28 2012, 05:50 AM
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It is the player that acknowledges the code on the samples and signs off on them.
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post Feb 28 2012, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (RayL @ Feb 28 2012, 05:50 AM) *
It is the player that acknowledges the code on the samples and signs off on them.


Through the whole offseason we kept hearing about how Braun is such a good guy and good for the game, etc etc....turns out he's a lying, cheating scumbag with no respect for the game of baseball. I give more credit to the guys who just suck it up and deal with their suspensions....

I have more respect for Manny Ramirez than I do for Ryan Braun.
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post Mar 27 2012, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE (metsbeast17 @ Feb 24 2012, 11:35 AM) *
I thought they said that after the test it was discovered that he had herpes and that could have triggered the failed test.


Yes, the medication he took for the herpes increased his testosterone levels. It's the meds way of fighting the virus. The only way you can really detect performance enhancing drugs is elevated levels in the body.


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post Apr 1 2012, 08:20 AM
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Herpes meds are antiviral and may increase testosterone levels slightly. So explain a 20x normal and the artificial hormones in his system?????? The guy cheated and got away with it. There are people that still respect Clemens, Bonds and Mcguire......those clowns should all be swept under a rug.
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post Apr 1 2012, 08:38 AM
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Guilty unless proven innocent - and then again simply deemed guilty.
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