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Reyes Would Have Stayed For Less and For Shorter, Wilpon Didn't Want Him At ANY Price
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post Mar 8 2012, 01:01 PM
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Miami Marlins' Jose Reyes would have returned to NY Mets for less money, source says
All-Star shortstop could still be in New York, but offer never surfaced
By Andy Martino / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Jose Reyes is all smiles in Miami after signing a big free agent contract this winter.

When Marlins president David Samson said Tuesday that Jose Reyes was after every dollar in free agency, it seemed to contradict the shortstop’s December complaint that the Mets “didn’t want me.”

"He said, ‘I really want to play in Miami as long as you pay me $1 more than anyone else," Samson said. "'I really want to make the most money I can.'"

But people close to Reyes have insisted that was not the case.

According to sources, Reyes would have strongly considered a somewhat smaller deal from the Mets, both in years and dollars, and was shocked when his longtime team did not make an offer.

Reyes signed a six-year, $106 million deal with Miami, and would have seriously entertained returning to the Mets on a five-year deal, sources say.

Of course, there is no way to prove a hypothetical — and anyway, one Mets insider said that some members of the front office were unwilling to guarantee more than four years.


And the take away from this article is that if Reyes said he would have considered a four year deal, "members of the front office" would have only be willing to guarantee three years.

The truth is, they wanted to spend the league minimum on the SS position rather than an 8 figure salary. Period.
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post Mar 8 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (MeanBaller @ Mar 8 2012, 01:01 PM) *
The truth is, they wanted to spend the league minimum on the SS position rather than an 8 figure salary. Period.


On a homegrown uber-talented short stop who just won the batting title......

Not signing A-Rod or Vlad are one thing, this was totally different.

A slap in the face of Reyes as well as Mets fans.

Just remember, Fred says it was a baseball decision.

What team needs a short stop who steals 30 bases, plays good defense and wins batting titles....not this New York franchise!

Just despicable.


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post Mar 8 2012, 06:07 PM
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I still check the box score and I'll still watch a few games on SNY, but as a fan who used to bring my kids to 8-9 games a year.......ain't gonna happen.
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post Mar 8 2012, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (MeanBaller @ Mar 8 2012, 02:01 PM) *
And the take away from this article is that if Reyes said he would have considered a four year deal, "members of the front office" would have only be willing to guarantee three years.

The truth is, they wanted to spend the league minimum on the SS position rather than an 8 figure salary. Period.


Or the story in the miami paper was true and this one in the Daily Rag is false.

We will never know.
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post Mar 8 2012, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (Batman Forever @ Mar 8 2012, 07:08 PM) *
Or the story in the miami paper was true and this one in the Daily Rag is false.

We will never know.


Either way I'm happy for Reyes. He'll actually have a chance to win with the Marlins.
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post Mar 8 2012, 07:42 PM
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Either way I'm happy for Reyes. He'll actually have a chance to win with the Marlins.


Yes he has a three year window and then his contract gets very expensive and jeter probably retires. Dots connected and reyes goes to the dark side.
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post Mar 9 2012, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE (Batman Forever @ Mar 8 2012, 08:42 PM) *
Yes he has a three year window and then his contract gets very expensive and jeter probably retires. Dots connected and reyes goes to the dark side.


Either way, he isn't playing for the Mets. And he never will again. Which means he gets a real chance to win a ring.
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post Mar 9 2012, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (Batman Forever @ Mar 8 2012, 07:42 PM) *
Yes he has a three year window and then his contract gets very expensive and jeter probably retires. Dots connected and reyes goes to the dark side.


Could happen. Or the Marlins win the WS on Reyes' back and they actually start drawing fans and he ends up going to the HOF.

No matter what happens Reyes deserves nothing but the best. All fans can ask for is a guy to play his ass off every single day, and we got that from Jose Reyes day in / day out.

One of the all-time greatest New York Mets.

He's more of a Met than the Wilpons could be in a million years.
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post Mar 27 2012, 12:31 AM
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Mets are just in a poor state. They can't afford big time free agents like Reyes right now. It will be a matter of time before they will be able to shell out that kind of money again.


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post Mar 27 2012, 05:36 AM
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QUOTE (jwmann2 @ Mar 27 2012, 01:31 AM) *
Mets are just in a poor state. They can't afford big time free agents like Reyes right now. It will be a matter of time before they will be able to shell out that kind of money again.

Then why are you so optemistic for this season? In another post you stated the Mets will surpris us and now you admit due to financial problems it will take more time for them to get better players. You are congusing me.
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QUOTE (angy @ Mar 27 2012, 06:36 AM) *
Then why are you so optemistic for this season? In another post you stated the Mets will surpris us and now you admit due to financial problems it will take more time for them to get better players. You are congusing me.


For about 50 years now Mets fans have been characterized for their optimism. Phrases like wait till next year and ya gotta believe are trademarks of the mets.

I am excited for 2012 mets baseball !!!!
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post Mar 27 2012, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE (Batman Forever @ Mar 27 2012, 10:52 AM) *
For about 50 years now Mets fans have been characterized for their optimism. Phrases like wait till next year and ya gotta believe are trademarks of the mets.

I am excited for 2012 mets baseball !!!!


Good for you.
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Good for you.


See you at opening day
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See you at opening day

You won't see me unless you visit me at my home!
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I'm glad were still talking about this. I mean what's better then rehashing the same crap over and over again. I love it! Its great let's see how many posts we can fill saying the same crap over n over again. I agree with batman, I'm excitexd for the season n more then ready to move on from a guy that took himself out of a game to save his batting title. Who wouldn't want a selfish, below three hundred hitter who really is just an overrated overpaid track star on their team. I can't believe we didn't resign a 260 hitter with 7 home runs that only played a third of a season every year for a hundred million dollars. What the hells wrong with the mets?! Oh I know...their actually trying to make smart baseball moves. That's what it is....everybody is twisted around cus your not used to the mets being smart. Its ok...change is hard to handle.
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QUOTE (ohm9115 @ Mar 27 2012, 05:34 PM) *
I'm glad were still talking about this. I mean what's better then rehashing the same crap over and over again. I love it! Its great let's see how many posts we can fill saying the same crap over n over again. I agree with batman, I'm excitexd for the season n more then ready to move on from a guy that took himself out of a game to save his batting title. Who wouldn't want a selfish, below three hundred hitter who really is just an overrated overpaid track star on their team. I can't believe we didn't resign a 260 hitter with 7 home runs that only played a third of a season every year for a hundred million dollars. What the hells wrong with the mets?! Oh I know...their actually trying to make smart baseball moves. That's what it is....everybody is twisted around cus your not used to the mets being smart. Its ok...change is hard to handle.


Yes, so much "change" that the smart management kept him until the end of a useless season rather than trading him for some value when we could have...


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post Mar 27 2012, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (ohm9115 @ Mar 27 2012, 04:34 PM) *
I'm glad were still talking about this. I mean what's better then rehashing the same crap over and over again. I love it! Its great let's see how many posts we can fill saying the same crap over n over again. I agree with batman, I'm excitexd for the season n more then ready to move on from a guy that took himself out of a game to save his batting title. Who wouldn't want a selfish, below three hundred hitter who really is just an overrated overpaid track star on their team. I can't believe we didn't resign a 260 hitter with 7 home runs that only played a third of a season every year for a hundred million dollars. What the hells wrong with the mets?! Oh I know...their actually trying to make smart baseball moves. That's what it is....everybody is twisted around cus your not used to the mets being smart. Its ok...change is hard to handle.


I think it's great that you're so happy
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QUOTE (ohm9115 @ Mar 27 2012, 04:34 PM) *
I'm glad were still talking about this. I mean what's better then rehashing the same crap over and over again. I love it! Its great let's see how many posts we can fill saying the same crap over n over again. I agree with batman, I'm excitexd for the season n more then ready to move on from a guy that took himself out of a game to save his batting title. Who wouldn't want a selfish, below three hundred hitter who really is just an overrated overpaid track star on their team. I can't believe we didn't resign a 260 hitter with 7 home runs that only played a third of a season every year for a hundred million dollars. What the hells wrong with the mets?! Oh I know...their actually trying to make smart baseball moves. That's what it is....everybody is twisted around cus your not used to the mets being smart. Its ok...change is hard to handle.


You're right, the Mets really dodged a bullet by not signing Reyes. Just like they dodged it by not signing A-Rod or Vlad..... Thank goodness !!!!

Lets hope they let David Wright walk at the end of the year (without trading him of course) because you don't want to overpay for a homegrown .300 hitter with a .887 career OPS ! Let the bum walk !

The Wilpons, all about dodging bullets. Great baseball men.
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QUOTE (younghem @ Mar 28 2012, 10:47 AM) *
You're right, the Mets really dodged a bullet by not signing Reyes. Just like they dodged it by not signing A-Rod or Vlad..... Thank goodness !!!!

Lets hope they let David Wright walk at the end of the year (without trading him of course) because you don't want to overpay for a homegrown .300 hitter with a .887 career OPS ! Let the bum walk !

The Wilpons, all about dodging bullets. Great baseball men.


Yes mets run by great baseball men
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QUOTE (Batman Forever @ Mar 28 2012, 10:53 AM) *
Yes mets run by great baseball men


Clearly...just look at the last decade of success !
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QUOTE (younghem @ Mar 28 2012, 10:55 AM) *
Clearly...just look at the last decade of success !


And these great baseball men were hired how many months ago?
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QUOTE (Batman Forever @ Mar 28 2012, 11:08 AM) *
And these great baseball men were hired how many months ago?


Hmm...let's see, Jeff Wilpon was born in what year ? And he was probably about 18 when his Dad gave him full control.....
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QUOTE (younghem @ Mar 28 2012, 11:10 AM) *
Hmm...let's see, Jeff Wilpon was born in what year ? And he was probably about 18 when his Dad gave him full control.....


well not that young...he had to get him a few innings in A ball first.


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well not that young...he had to get him a few innings in A ball first.


Maybe they'll let him try 3B after they let Wright walk without trading him.....
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QUOTE (younghem @ Mar 28 2012, 09:47 AM) *
You're right, the Mets really dodged a bullet by not signing Reyes. Just like they dodged it by not signing A-Rod or Vlad..... Thank goodness !!!!

Lets hope they let David Wright walk at the end of the year (without trading him of course) because you don't want to overpay for a homegrown .300 hitter with a .887 career OPS ! Let the bum walk !

The Wilpons, all about dodging bullets. Great baseball men.

Wright is a base ball player and his statistics prove it. He is a better baseball PLAYER the Reyes. Not athelet but player. He deserves a contract. I agree that they should have traded Reyes letting him walk was stupid but even though he is dynamic he symbolises what was wrong with this team. It became a show. It was more about hand shakes and chants and the race for batting titles. We lost baseball with the mets back with steve phillips and it became about celebrity trying to sign the biggest names and most popular players. Other than the yankees teams that win championships r built with PLAYERS. That's were this team is trying to get back to. 69 we had players, 86 we had players, even in 2000 we had players. Yes loosing Reyes sucks. But it was the right move. He's a great kid, he's never been a problem and will be a great addition to miami but he wasn't the solution either. Wright is the homegrown talent u want leading this team and with the young nucleus growing in this team were closer to the world series then we've been in a decade because now were getting back to baseball. Please if u haven't already read wrights comments summarized today on mets blog today. U would never here those words out of Reyes moth. Not because he doesn't care but because he just thinks from a diff angle. To him his success is predicated on how big of a star he is, and how much he's needed. Wright in that article is pretty much telling the mets he will give a hometown discount to stay out of loyalty he has to the mets for what they did for him. Reyes felt the mets showed him no loyalty forvgetting that his rode to where he is almost mirrord Wrights. One will sacrafice for the team, One neede to be courted like a beautiful woman. Letting him go was the right choice.
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