For All You Roger Clemens Haters... |
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For All You Roger Clemens Haters... |
 Jan 24 2005, 06:37 PM
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Randy Johnson has 1125 less IPs than Roger Clemens and has hit 9 more batters in his career.
Roger Clemens is also 18th on the All-Time HBP list. Just something to think about. --------------------  |
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Jan 24 2005, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(younghem @ Jan 24 2005, 06:37 PM) Randy Johnson has 1125 less IPs than Roger Clemens and has hit 9 more batters in his career. Roger Clemens is also 18th on the All-Time HBP list. Just something to think about. [right][snapback]114434[/snapback][/right] SURPRISE What a great man he is... --------------------  |
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Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM
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How about the fact that Clemens has more control than RJ? He IS a bit of a headhunter....
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Jan 24 2005, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(gak29 @ Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM) How about the fact that Clemens has more control than RJ? He IS a bit of a headhunter.... [right][snapback]114475[/snapback][/right] Oh I misread the post. I thought he said it the other way around. Well anyway, why would you show us that stat? Are you a fan of Clemens? That stat really does not mean much to be at all, as gak said, Johnson does not have the accuracy that Clemens has, and you know, pitchers get the label "headhunter" for a reason. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 07:45 PM
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Moderator Group: Mods Posts: 13,468 Joined: 3-February 04 From: Connecticut Member No.: 210 |
Clemens has never been known for his accuracy. He's always been all over the place. I was just having a big debate with my friend who keeps calling him a head-hunter....and I just find that interesting that when compared to other great pitchers he's just about average...
Yes, I am a fan of Roger Clemens. A fan of Tom Seaver should appreciate his accomplishments imo.... -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(younghem @ Jan 24 2005, 07:45 PM) Clemens has never been known for his accuracy. He's always been all over the place. I was just having a big debate with my friend who keeps calling him a head-hunter....and I just find that interesting that when compared to other great pitchers he's just about average... Yes, I am a fan of Roger Clemens. A fan of Tom Seaver should appreciate his accomplishments imo.... [right][snapback]114485[/snapback][/right] I don't think there is anyone in this board denying how great of a pitcher he was, but I just didn't agree with the fact that you saying he is not a headhunter or that he is no more a headhunter then Randy Johnson is. Do you also want to make an argument that Bob Gibson didn't go after batters? -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 07:52 PM
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Also, randy also killed a living thing with his pitch... A bird! Haha, you guys remember that?
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Jan 24 2005, 07:57 PM
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Moderator Group: Mods Posts: 13,468 Joined: 3-February 04 From: Connecticut Member No.: 210 |
QUOTE(jmeye47 @ Jan 24 2005, 07:52 PM) Also, randy also killed a living thing with his pitch... A bird! Haha, you guys remember that? [right][snapback]114488[/snapback][/right] I'll never forget that explosion of feathers  That was insane  A lot of pitchers, Bob Gibson included, have pitched batters tight. Lord knows Pedro does it. Was Bob Gibson called a HeadHunter in his career ? If he was, then I guess its a compliment.... -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(younghem @ Jan 24 2005, 07:57 PM) I'll never forget that explosion of feathers That was insane A lot of pitchers, Bob Gibson included, have pitched batters tight. Lord knows Pedro does it. Was Bob Gibson called a HeadHunter in his career ? If he was, then I guess its a compliment.... [right][snapback]114491[/snapback][/right] I don't know about a compliment, but batters sure paid respect to him and his plate. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 08:35 PM
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Moderator Group: Mods Posts: 13,468 Joined: 3-February 04 From: Connecticut Member No.: 210 |
QUOTE(Seaver69 @ Jan 24 2005, 08:19 PM) I don't know about a compliment, but batters sure paid respect to him and his plate. [right][snapback]114505[/snapback][/right] No doubt that Clemens has that intimidating 'style' of pitching ala Bob Gibson. If thats what people want to call HeadHunting, then thats fine. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(younghem @ Jan 24 2005, 08:35 PM) No doubt that Clemens has that intimidating 'style' of pitching ala Bob Gibson. If thats what people want to call HeadHunting, then thats fine. [right][snapback]114524[/snapback][/right] No thats not really what I meant. Sorry if i came off that way. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(Seaver69 @ Jan 24 2005, 08:59 PM) No thats not really what I meant. Sorry if i came off that way. [right][snapback]114546[/snapback][/right] Actually even a guy like Glavine or Maddux can be intimidating to an opposing hitter. Maybe not inflict fear, but I'm not so sure how confident they would be gettin up there. -------------------- |
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Jan 24 2005, 10:40 PM
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1125 less innings than Clemens but only 150 less walks. Me thinks RJ is effectively wild and Clemens is a bully.
1458 Clemens 1302 Johnson -------------------- It Has Been Real, It has been fun, If only it had stayed Really Fun!
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Jan 24 2005, 11:39 PM
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Best headhunter of all time is Sandy Koufax. No one can come close to him, he once drilled Willie Mays because he said he had too many HR's...
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Jan 25 2005, 03:43 AM
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QUOTE(younghem @ Jan 24 2005, 07:57 PM) I'll never forget that explosion of feathers That was insane A lot of pitchers, Bob Gibson included, have pitched batters tight. Lord knows Pedro does it. Was Bob Gibson called a HeadHunter in his career ? If he was, then I guess its a compliment.... [right][snapback]114491[/snapback][/right] Im sorry, but the guy throw a freakin bat at mike piazza. He is and always will be scum . On a baseball level, yes hes a good pitcher, but the things he did to piazza when he was a yankee, i'm sorry but if your a met fan you cant like this guy.. just my opinion. -------------------- Scott
Scars are souvenirs you never lose The past is never far Did you lose yourself somewhere out there Did you get to be a star And don't it make you sad to know that life Is more than who we are RIP "Freddy Coupon." |
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Jan 25 2005, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(rossie6782 @ Jan 25 2005, 03:43 AM) Im sorry, but the guy throw a freakin bat at mike piazza. He is and always will be scum . On a baseball level, yes hes a good pitcher, but the things he did to piazza when he was a yankee, i'm sorry but if your a met fan you cant like this guy.. just my opinion. [right][snapback]114810[/snapback][/right] If, indeed, he actually said, "I thought it was the ball", he loses all credibility. Ken Kesey, substantially under the influence of hallucinogens, would not have suffered that confusion. -------------------- To the extent that we have learned to grasp and identify with this limited life, we suffer. It's that simple. - Kornfield
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Jan 25 2005, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(rossie6782 @ Jan 25 2005, 03:43 AM) Im sorry, but the guy throw a freakin bat at mike piazza. He is and always will be scum . On a baseball level, yes hes a good pitcher, but the things he did to piazza when he was a yankee, i'm sorry but if your a met fan you cant like this guy.. just my opinion. [right][snapback]114810[/snapback][/right] Clemens never intentionally threw that bat at Piazza. Everyone here claims he has such great control.....well there you go. If he wanted to throw at Piazza, he would have hit him. He was tossing it out of play. If you watch it again, Piazza slows down when he sees its foul, and then speeds up when he sees Clemens throw the bat towards him. --------------------  |
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Jan 25 2005, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 25 2005, 02:56 PM) Clemens never intentionally threw that bat at Piazza. Everyone here claims he has such great control.....well there you go. If he wanted to throw at Piazza, he would have hit him. He was tossing it out of play. If you watch it again, Piazza slows down when he sees its foul, and then speeds up when he sees Clemens throw the bat towards him. [right][snapback]114927[/snapback][/right] Is that a joke? Look at that video again. Just look at his eyes and look at his expression. For whever reason in his screwed up head, he was extremely angry. Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can't exactly paint a corner with a bat if you know what I mean. -------------------- |
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Jan 25 2005, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 25 2005, 02:56 PM) Clemens never intentionally threw that bat at Piazza. Everyone here claims he has such great control.....well there you go. If he wanted to throw at Piazza, he would have hit him. He was tossing it out of play. If you watch it again, Piazza slows down when he sees its foul, and then speeds up when he sees Clemens throw the bat towards him. [right][snapback]114927[/snapback][/right] i seriously hope your joking.. -------------------- Scott
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Jan 25 2005, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(rossie6782 @ Jan 25 2005, 03:43 AM) Im sorry, but the guy throw a freakin bat at mike piazza. He is and always will be scum . On a baseball level, yes hes a good pitcher, but the things he did to piazza when he was a yankee, i'm sorry but if your a met fan you cant like this guy.. just my opinion. [right][snapback]114810[/snapback][/right] I know, but if he had become a met after the 2000 WS, he woulod have been embraced by the Mets, as well as their fans. Remember when Clemens wa with Toronto, and he drilled Jeter and Knoblach. The Yanks accepted him, he become a beloved Yank, and if he here we would love him as well. -------------------- Every day you may make progress. Every step may be fruitful. Yet there will stretch out before you an ever-lengthening, ever-ascending, ever-improving path. You know you will never get to the end of the journey. But this, so far from discouraging, only adds to the joy and glory of the climb.
Sir Winston Churchill I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be. Thomas Jefferson To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. George Washington May our country be always successful, but whether successful or otherwise, always right. John Quincy Adams Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends? Abraham Lincoln To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Theodore roosevelt |
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Jan 25 2005, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(BruceWayne @ Jan 25 2005, 05:29 PM) I know, but if he had become a met after the 2000 WS, he woulod have been embraced by the Mets, as well as their fans. Remember when Clemens wa with Toronto, and he drilled Jeter and Knoblach. The Yanks accepted him, he become a beloved Yank, and if he here we would love him as well. [right][snapback]115012[/snapback][/right] i dunno, after that incident it would be hard to love clemens, use him, but not love him. -------------------- Scott
Scars are souvenirs you never lose The past is never far Did you lose yourself somewhere out there Did you get to be a star And don't it make you sad to know that life Is more than who we are RIP "Freddy Coupon." |
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Jan 25 2005, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 25 2005, 01:56 PM) Clemens never intentionally threw that bat at Piazza. Everyone here claims he has such great control.....well there you go. If he wanted to throw at Piazza, he would have hit him. He was tossing it out of play. If you watch it again, Piazza slows down when he sees its foul, and then speeds up when he sees Clemens throw the bat towards him. [right][snapback]114927[/snapback][/right] ????? Congratulations on winning the 5-question-mark post of the day award! -------------------- <O>
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Jan 25 2005, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(eye95 @ Jan 25 2005, 07:47 PM) ????? Congratulations on winning the 5-question-mark post of the day award! [right][snapback]115139[/snapback][/right] ############## Congrats on winning the 14-Green-pound post of the day award! -------------------- LET'S GO MARIST!!!! YGB07!!!! |
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Jan 25 2005, 10:00 PM
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Say what you will, but I'm entitled to my opinion as much as the next guy. I love the Mets more than anything, and I can't stand the Skanks. That just shows how strong I am in my opinion about Clemens. Think what you want, and I'll do the same.
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Jan 25 2005, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 25 2005, 10:00 PM) Say what you will, but I'm entitled to my opinion as much as the next guy. I love the Mets more than anything, and I can't stand the Skanks. That just shows how strong I am in my opinion about Clemens. Think what you want, and I'll do the same. [right][snapback]115223[/snapback][/right] Yeah, thats cool. Noone is denying you that right, we are just questioning it. 
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Jan 25 2005, 10:08 PM
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Superstar Group: Members Posts: 3,451 Joined: 28-September 04 From: Marlton, NJ Member No.: 430 |
I hear you. I know when you have an opinion that goes against the grain that you have to expect people to question it.
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Jan 25 2005, 10:11 PM
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Haha, I don't know how many people checked my post, so I figured I would see the feedback I got now. Don't worry, it's not official yet.
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Jan 25 2005, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 25 2005, 10:00 PM) Say what you will, but I'm entitled to my opinion as much as the next guy. I love the Mets more than anything, and I can't stand the Skanks. That just shows how strong I am in my opinion about Clemens. Think what you want, and I'll do the same. [right][snapback]115223[/snapback][/right] The reason piazza sped up is he thought the ball was going to go fair, he never looked at clemens. Either way, HE THREW a bat in the direction of a player he hates, intentionally or not. I have NEVER seen that happen before and still can't beleive i saw it ... moreover i can't beleive he didnt get punished for it. Intentional or not, thats ridiculous. -------------------- Scott
Scars are souvenirs you never lose The past is never far Did you lose yourself somewhere out there Did you get to be a star And don't it make you sad to know that life Is more than who we are RIP "Freddy Coupon." |
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Jan 25 2005, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE(rossie6782 @ Jan 25 2005, 11:11 PM) Either way, HE THREW a bat in the direction of a player he hates[right][snapback]115291[/snapback][/right] Clemens hated Piazza? This is news to me. Are you guys buddies? Is he telling you something that he's not telling everyone else? He wouldn't throw a bat at someone just because he hated him. He's a professional. -------------------- |
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Jan 25 2005, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 25 2005, 11:26 PM) Clemens hated Piazza? This is news to me. Are you guys buddies? Is he telling you something that he's not telling everyone else? He wouldn't throw a bat at someone just because he hated him. He's a professional. [right][snapback]115311[/snapback][/right] Do you read? The comments tossed between the two show that they hate eachother. -------------------- Scott
Scars are souvenirs you never lose The past is never far Did you lose yourself somewhere out there Did you get to be a star And don't it make you sad to know that life Is more than who we are RIP "Freddy Coupon." |
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